“Unverified Events”

EP. 31 – Paranormal Stories, Personality Psychology & Unexplained Experiences | Featuring RAY & STEPHANIE

In this episode of Unfit For Radio, JAYKERS is joined by RAY and returning guest STEPHANIE for a conversation that quickly drifts from everyday storytelling into the unexplained, the bizarre, and the strangely fascinating.

RAY shares never-before-heard stories, including how he ended up on TV twice, insights from his rare personality type, and a night that may have involved time travel—or something straight out of a Twilight Zone experience. The discussion deepens as he opens up about past psychic experiences, intuition, extrasensory perception, and moments in life that don’t have easy explanations.

What begins as casual conversation evolves into a mix of paranormal podcast discussion, personality psychology talk, and unfiltered comedy chaos, blending humor with curiosity about the unknown.

A surprise birthday moment briefly brings sincerity and emotion into the mix before the conversation snaps right back into unpredictable storytelling and classic UFR energy.

Perfect for fans of comedy podcasts, paranormal stories, conspiracy-style conversations, personality psychology, supernatural experiences, storytelling podcasts, and unfiltered long-form discussions, this episode delivers curiosity, humor, and chaos in equal measure.

Featuring:
• RAY’s never-before-heard life stories
• Paranormal & unexplained experiences
• Psychic intuition & extrasensory perception discussions
• Personality type insights & psychology talk
• TV appearances & strange real-life moments
• Birthday surprise & emotional moment
• Comedy, chaos & unfiltered conversation

Streaming worldwide on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon Music, and everywhere podcasts are heard.

Transcript

Tempo: 120.0

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Jakers, I've got some stories today the audience hasn't heard before. I am going to go against my personality type. And I am going to be very vulnerable today. And I am going to talk about my personality type. I am also going to talk about the two times I ended up on TV. And I'm going to revisit the night I may or may not have time travel. And yeah, even share a few past psychic experiences.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I prefer intriguing.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

I'm cautiously optimistic. Fair, but I promise you this today's episode is going somewhere unexpected.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Alright then, let's take the ride.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Buckle up, it's about to get interesting.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

Ladies and gentlemen, I apologize in advance. Welcome to Unfit for Radio with Jakers, streaming worldwide in 13 countries and 77 plus cities across the U.S. I am internationally known and locally tolerated, even by my wife. And sitting across from me, the senior star of UFR, Mr.

SPEAKER_00 1:23

Ray. I'm happy to be here, Jakers. I'm Ray. I've been on TV. I may have time traveled, and according to at least one personality test, I'm rare. You are rare.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

I think it's uh similar to a steak.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

Medium rare.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Okie dokie, artichoke. Let's go. Joining us for Ray's Wild Adventures is Stephanie, who you might remember from episodes 17 and 24. She's my wife, my best friend, and truly my better half Mexican style. Stephanie, you always have a seat at this mic. Welcome back to Unfit for Radio. Thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

Thanks. I'm happy to be back and honestly a little nervous about what Ray's wild adventures might involve today.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Nervous? That's never a good sign when someone's nervous before I even start talking.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

That's because historically, when Ray says, I've got a story, it usually involves something unbelievable, mildly dangerous, or even possibly illegal.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

Allegedly illegal.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

See, I knew I came back at the right time.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

All right, Ray. The floor is yours. Where are we starting today? Time travel? Psychic powers? One of those mysterious TV appearances.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Actually, let's start with the TV appearance, because to this day I'm still not entirely sure how that even happened. Let's go, let's do it. Okay, the first time I was on TV, I was in high school. I was with the youth choir at my church, and there was a pastor down in Tucson, and he had a 15-minute TV show on K Gun, which I always thought that was great for Tucson K-Gun.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Because it reminds me of the old West. And so what we did, we practiced a couple of songs, and we all put on our colorful uniforms, and we went down there in many cars, and we lined up in the small studio. Did you have your compression shorts? They weren't invented back then.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Okay, just checking.

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Okay. And uh we went into this little studio, similar to our studio here, and they lined us up in uh like in choir rows. I I don't even know if we had risers or we just stood all on the flat floor, and the cameras were there and everything, and it was first time in a TV studio, and it was kind of interesting to see that. But we we were there, we sang our two songs, and we were done, and we went back home. So we were just there and back, Tucson for our our little 10-minute thing and went back home.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

What was it for? What was the highlight? Just the so just you guys singing in the choir?

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Just us singing, and he he he he had heard us um when he'd been to Phoenix and he wanted us on his little 15-minute show, so we went down there and we're on was on his show. How cool. Was it live or was it like recorded uh on a tape? I believe it was live. I believe he had the same time every Saturday or something. So did you ever get to go back and see it or somebody recorded it? No, I we never saw it, so I don't know. Do you know if you were in black and white? Uh or were you in color? I believe it was in color.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

We weren't it wasn't I know I'm 200 years old, but you know, color came around when when with the Wizard of Oz was like one of the first in color. So was it the 30s?

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Yeah, it could have been the 30s. Oh, we're good. But anyway, we're getting close to your timeline. Yeah, we're getting close to my timeline. Anyway, it was it was a long time ago. The second time I was on TV was very similar back in. Oh, I won't even tell you the year because I don't want to tell you the year. But many years ago, I uh created a group of singers at my church, and uh we did a patriotic musical for the church on a Friday night or something.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Patriotic 4th of July?

SPEAKER_00 5:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:35

Or Memorial Day.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Um, it was closer to the fourth, I believe. You guys were just celebrating, huh? Yeah, we were just celebrating. So we put this together. And um unknown to me, a man at church uh made a phone call to channel 21, who was the it which is the uh Christian TV TV station.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Trinity Broadcasting.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Yes, before it was Trinity Broadcasting, our local 21, and um arranged for us to be there. And he called me up and said, I arranged for you to be on TV, and I about passed out. It's like I I had nothing to do with it. I didn't want to, but so I had to gather up the group, and we went down there to the TV station, and we sang a couple songs and they interviewed a couple people, and I was on TV again. So that was that was twice. That's really cool. Now, I did turn down a third appearance. You turned one down. What happened?

SPEAKER_01 6:35

I did your schedule, didn't turn out.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

No, I just didn't want to be on TV. I was at uh Spectrum Mall. You didn't like that channel?

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Oh, Christown. Christown.

SPEAKER_00 6:46

This was just after uh shortly after 9-11 happened. Okay, and they had a TV set up over there, and I I mean a camera and I didn't even know it was there. And um a lady walked up to me and said, Uh, would you like to be interviewed on TV? I said, No. She said, The the producer will ask you some questions, all you have to do is answer. And I said, no. And the reason she stopped me was because I had on a patriotic shirt, which I usually wear all the time anyway. With a flag. And um so I she said, Are you sure? And I said, I'm sure. So I turned down a third appearance on TV, and I could have had my own solo spot, but I didn't really want one.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

So why? What was your reason?

SPEAKER_00 7:29

I just didn't want to be on TV.

unknown 7:30

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Nervous. He was nervous. Yeah, probably. So that's how I ended up on TV twice and turned down a third appearance.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

He didn't like that channel.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

No, it had nothing to do with that. I don't even know what I don't even know what channel it was.

SPEAKER_02 7:44

Now he's worldwide. Yeah, now he's worldwide.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Yeah, now I'm worldwide. I know. He's a big personality. I know, thank you. Well, let's move into my personality type. Hey, perfect. I am I am putting myself uh open here. I'm becoming an open book because as we go through this, you'll find out that my personality type is not this kind where I talk and all that. So I really shouldn't even be on a podcast because that's not my personality.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

You're not this kind. Well, what kind are you?

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Well, we'll find out. Um few years ago, I was on the computer looking at um YouTube videos. You do that? I do that. Wow, what kind of YouTube videos excite you? All different kinds.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

There's whatever pops up. You like the short clips or do you like the long, like that gets into a good story?

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Uh both. I'll watch both.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

So anyway, I was sitting there and uh a video popped up. It was entitled The Rarest Personality Type. Oh, yeah? And I thought, oh, okay, that's interesting. Let's see what it is. So I watched the thing, and the more I listened to it, the bigger my mouth got. And by the time the thing was done, my chin was all the way to the floor. Whoa. That's me. That's me. Everything they talked about was that's me. That's me. And so I was very surprised. But I found out um it this is from the Myers-Briggs personality indicator.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

Yeah, there's like 16 different types.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

There's 16 different types. Types. Wow, I don't know. And I'm and I'm one of the types. And this is called an INFJ, and I will tell you what that stands for. Okay, I got this. Okay. Now, before I start, I will tell you how many of us there are in the world. There are from half a percent to one percent of the male population is this personality, so it is very rare.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

So there's not many of us in the world. Okay. The I stands for introverted, which I am. I've always been an introvert. And uh, I never wanted to answer questions in the classroom. I never wanted to give a book report, I never wanted to be in front of anybody, and here I am in front of a radio audience. So And you're and you're a classroom teacher. And I was a classroom teacher, so figure that one out. You're breaking all the time.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Would you like a description on that? Or just I can give you a description on that.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

What's that?

SPEAKER_02 10:16

On the introvert?

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

It says introverts often like working alone or in small groups, prefer a more deliberate pace and like to focus on one task at a time.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yes. That's you. That's me. Okay. Yes, we uh we like our time alone. Who's we? We. The introverts. The introverts.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Oh, I thought that was him and his other personalities. I'm like, wait a minute. This is bipolarism.

unknown 10:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

Not that kind. No, we're not going there. Just one person. Like, wait a minute. This is bipolar.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

We're not going there. Okay, so that's the I. The N stands for intuitive. I have a strong sense of intuition. I perceive things below the surface, and I see the big picture very often. So um this is something that uh turns people off a lot of times because I'm able to read a person just by talking to them and looking at them and listening to them. And um, I know a lot more about them than they think I know.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

How often are you right, and how often are you wrong, would you say?

SPEAKER_00 11:26

I say I'm right, probably at least 95% of the time, if not more.

unknown 11:31

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

Okay. You're intuitive.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

I am very intuitive. Five percent wrong. That's not bad. The F of the INFJ stands for feeling. We are very emotional. We have sensitivity and empathy. I can empathize with other people very easily. I have an innate ability to understand and resonate with the feelings of others. Yeah. So that's why I'm very feeling oriented. The J is for judging and not necessarily in a bad sense. I prefer structure, organization, and a clear plan of action. I'm skilled decision maker, and I am a perfectionist with no rest. I'm also a firstborn, and uh and um firstborns are usually perfectionists, so I have I've got a double whammy there.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

I'm firstborn. Oh, so you're a perfectionist. No, she married one. Oh, she married one. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Uh-oh. Who's not a firstborn?

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Yeah, interesting, right? But we might have different personality types, like you and I, that might change change that. That might be the reason why we're we're different in that area.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah, they say opposites attract.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Opposites do attract. Uh-huh. So um, yeah, we are perfectionists with no rest. We everything has to be perfect at all times from morning, noon, and night, seven days a week. And um, if we don't get it, we get frustrated. So um it's it's it's a tough life sometimes. But we are known as keen listeners. And I can tell you stories. I can tell you one story that I remember. Back when I was in uh when I was college age, there was a young lady at church who was also college age, and she walked up to me one Sunday morning. I knew who she was. Uh, she wasn't a stranger, and she walked up to me and said, Can we have lunch this week? Okay. She nobody, I I really we never really ever talked to each other. So that was kind of strange. So I pulled the calendar out of my pocket and looked at it. We made a date and we went to Wendy's and had hamburger and fries, and we talked. And she told me some personal things. And um, it's like, why are you telling me? You know, I was sitting there.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

I hope you don't share.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

No, no. Why are you telling me these things? And she told me some personal things. Well, I am the kind of person who does not share personal things. You could tell me a secret, and it would be I would keep it for life. And uh, I have long forgotten whatever it was she told me, but even if I remembered it, I would not ever tell anybody. So that was she just needed to talk, and she knew I could listen, and she and that's the only time we ever talked, and that was kind of strange and unusual. But uh some other stories, when I was um teaching, I would have teachers come and tell me things uh about themselves, or most usually about a student. Let me tell you about this student, and I didn't even have the student, they just wanted to tell me about it, and I listened, and it was like why are you sharing this with me? I guess I just came across as a listener and somebody who would be interested in whatever it was they had to share. So that was interesting. Wow. But there is a there is a there is a dark side because sometimes I feel like I'm a space alien. I no explain. Well, because through my whole life I have never felt I fit, I didn't feel like I fit in with my family, I never felt I fit in at school, and I just didn't feel like I fit in anywhere because my interests weren't like everybody else's, and I just You're unique. I'm unique. Um for example, when I was when I went to high school, it was a very scary experience for me since I'm such an introvert. Where'd you go to Oakland? Oakland?

SPEAKER_01 15:57

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Like you know, no, I'm not gonna tell you what school I went to. You go to the a south side, a rough school. Like what do you mean scary? It was just uh just the change from elementary to high school was kind of overwhelming. Yeah, it was it was overwhelming. I got you. Yeah, because there were big kids there, seniors, you know, they were they were scary. And um in high school, I was the silent type. I didn't talk to any students unless I absolutely have to. I I could go days, I could go weeks without talking to anybody in high school. Wow. I I had no friends there, didn't know anybody, and um I didn't interact with anyone unless I absolutely had to. So I was I would listen very carefully to to the lessons and take notes dutifully like I was supposed to, but um, as far as interacting with others, it was not a social time for me because I don't do social.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

So wow.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

I know. And now look at you, you're worldwide. Now I'm worldwide. Yeah, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

I you're describing um like probably 25% of the population, Ray. There's probably others that feel exactly the way you do.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

Oh, I'm sure there are. I just haven't met any. Because you guys don't want to meet each other. If I ever met one, I we'd probably hug and kiss and everything else. But um because we we meet best friends. Yeah, best friends. So anyway. Um I'm also creative and visionary. I'm often misunderstood or isolated. Really? Yeah, because people don't know how to take an INFJ, they don't know how to react with one. They don't.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Sounds like a disease. That's what that's yeah, that's what they cat. That's the category. Do I have to wear a mask? No, no.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

But fortunately, you and I'm curious, yeah. But uh fortunately, you and I Jakers get along very well. Yeah. And um it it's it's been very good for me.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

I'm probably somewhere halfway in there, but I'm curious to see what your like Myers-Briggs test would be. You should take one. Uh-huh. We should. It's just for fun.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

On the show, reveal it to everybody. Just for fun.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

But I do want to make clear that I never did take the test just from reading the description. I knew that was.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

So I thought you said it said you're rare. So you're just saying you're saying you're rare.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

No, it said it's it's the rarest type. Oh, because there's the fewest of them.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

Okay. I see.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

So, yes, but I never took the actual test. I just read the the descriptors and knew that was me. And many times I have too many interests and such little time. And I felt that more when I was younger than I than I do now. But so that's uh What do you mean by that? Well, I felt like um I should have been homeschooled or should have had remote learning if they had had such a thing back then. I would not I would much prefer to be on my own, learning on my own, than being in the classroom. Because I had all these interests, and I oh, I wanted to read about this, and I'd like to be about this and do about this, and you know, write a report or whatever, but instead I had to follow the curriculum and do what the teacher wanted, and that that wasn't necessarily my interest.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

So you think you would have maybe a better education if it wasn't had to be shared, if it could be more like hands-on or focused on you, and not necessarily 30 other kids you're saying that you would be able to excel more?

SPEAKER_00 19:28

No. I felt no, I feel like I'm well-rounded and I feel like I'm well educated. Because I I know a lot of things about a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

He would have just preferred to read like I don't know. I would have preferred Huckleberry Finn rather than Charlotte's Webb. No, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

Right. No, because it was this one day when uh my mom took m me and my sister to the to the library, and um I wanted a get in it. Back then they had children's uh library cards and adult library cards.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

They still do.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Okay. Well I didn't know if they if they'd had one. So I wanted to get an adult card because I wanted to read the harder books.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Okay. And my mom was having a fit. She walked me over to that desk and He thinks he needs an adult card because he read all the books in the in this section. And of course that made me mad that she put it that way, but I wanted to read uh, you know, things like Perry Mason and things like that, chapter books instead of all the little picture books that I had already read. More advanced. Yeah, more advanced. And um, so anyway, the so I yeah, so I did. I got me an adult card at a young age.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

That's very interesting. I didn't know they did stuff like that back then. I think now the kids' books, you can still go into the adult section, but I think it's just a way of they know that you rented it and not them. But right, right. That's just my local library.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yeah. Well, when I was a teacher, I I'd always go to the children's section because I had to check out books to that were appropriate for what we were learning about, or just fun books to read to the kids. So I would check out books from the children's section.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

So being a teacher, did you try to find different books that you thought that, you know, being a kid you'd be interested in, not just the mainstream Charlotte's Web or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 21:24

No. No. No, you still went with the mainstream? Yeah, yeah, I went with the mainstream.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

Oh. He still got to follow the curriculum. He didn't help make the change.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Right. I didn't make the change.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Well, to continue on, so that's my description of an INFJ, one of the 16 Myers Briggs personality types. Were you surprised? No, I was not surprised. I was very happy. That's what's wrong with me. That's why I never fit in my whole life. And it it really answered a lot of questions as to why I was so different and why I felt like an space alien.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

I I just felt like I didn't belong here. So, and then um maybe a couple of years later, I was on the computer again and up came a video entitled S Personality Types, you know, or um Traits of the Sigma Male. And I said, What the heck is that? I knew about an alpha male, you know, the outgoing, you know, loud, brash. Yeah, I knew about the alpha male, but I had never heard of a sigma male. So I thought, well, let's look at that. So I listened to that video. That's me, that's me, that's me. I would it was another revelation that I was a sigma male. And I have several traits here of what a sigma male is like. Now these are even more rare. Only 0.02% of the male population is a sigma. So we are even rarer than the INFJ. But we have an average IQ of 115, which is higher than average. So here we go. Some person some traits of a Sigma male.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Let's hear them.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Okay. Uh they're numbered, but they're not numbered in any order.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Number one, we do not care about last night's game. We don't care about sports. We we we think it's a waste of time. I never played any, never watched any. I still don't watch any. And uh there's no interest in anything like that. It's just we think we think it's a waste of time.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Is it the competitive thing?

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Uh no. Well, I don't think so. I don't think it's a competitive.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Because you could be competitive in other other ways.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Yeah, but no, I don't think it's competitive. I just think it's um I don't know. We just think it's a waste of time. And I don't know why. Number two, oh, I'm setting up something here, and I didn't mean to do that. Number two, we don't care about our own birthday. And I never did. Even as a child, I hated my birthday being celebrated, getting a cake, and everybody, all the family said.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

It's because all the attention's on you. And because all the attention talks It's not that it's your birthday, it's it's the attention.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

It's the attention. And um, I would use I I used to cover my face with my hands.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

But you didn't enjoy the cake and ice cream. I mean, kids love cake and ice cream.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Well, yeah, they would just serve the cake and ice cream without making presents and making a big deal. And you know, if we it was just like a standard dessert, I was it was overwhelming. Yeah, but but Bertha and I I I still don't to this day.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Now that I'm 200 or however age my am, I never um he he loves the extra attention.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

No, I don't. No, I don't.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

He turns as white as a paper. He does not like it at all. He's very uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Jakers knows that because he knows me.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Oh, it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 24:54

Um number three, we do not impress others with material possessions. Uh, it was interesting because the other day Linda and I were driving through northwest um Scottsdale. We had never been out that way before and looked at the houses and everything. And and it was incredible what some people, how some people live. And I told Linda, I said, even if I had $10 million, I still wouldn't live here because it's not, it's not my my style. I would not, I would be so uncomfortable. I would never live there and I would not buy another house, I would just live right where we are. And so um we don't care about material possessions and having the nicest car and all that. It just it's not important to us. You don't show off? No.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

If if you got a new walker and my walker was a little bit older than your walker, you wouldn't be like, look at this new shiny thing, Jake you got on there.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

No, I'd probably go to the junkyard and buy an old one and it wouldn't it wouldn't matter. As long as it works, as long as it works, it'll probably sound like this. Yeah, you gotta have a horn to get so people get out of your way. Yeah. Uh number four, we don't like to argue over politics. I don't even like to discuss politics. So um I'll listen to it on the news, but uh as as far as talking about it or arguing.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

I I But you have your own, you have your own preference or I have my own preference.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

And I would talk to somebody and I would sit down and have a nice discussion if they wouldn't yell and scream and shout and pout and all that. If we could just have a nice discussion, I could do that.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Ray and I has talked politics. And yeah, we agree on some things and disagree on some things, but so it's not the topic, it's the method. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

It's more the method, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

Somebody like you gotta believe like this, and he doesn't like all that.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

No, and I would never try and convert anybody to uh to my belief. So um no, we don't do that. So that's a that's another sign of a sigma male. Um Sigma males also don't care about their family ties. And I really like no ancestry type thing? Real no immediate family. Oh, okay. Or you know, slightly out from there. Um even as a child, I was I I don't want to say too much, but I was not happy with my family. And um, I won't say anything more than that. But um, and even now as an adult, I have no contact with some of my siblings. So, and I'm not that we hate each other, we just don't contact.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

It's just it's just not in my wouldn't it be interesting if they heard you on some sort of podcast and been like, wait a minute, that's my brother.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

I gotta give him a call. Sit, that's really happy.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Oh, that I would like that. I would you would like. No, that's the open invitation, people.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

No, that's fine. Um, oh, here's one too. Number six, we don't care about remembering unnecessary dates. I mean, don't I I don't want to know about your your dog's birthday or anything like that, because that's to me that's unnecessary.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

You don't know Falcone's birthday. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

And I'm not gonna bring him a card or a toy or anything. No, to me, that's unnecessary.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

That's why he barks at you.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Well, I like I like your dog though. I think he's cute. Thank you. Oh, number seven. Group vacations. Oh, that would be the pit. Linda and I'd like to go on vacation by ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 28:33

So you would never go on vacation with us? No, they got invited and turned us down.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

No. Well, that's because you're going on a cruise, we would never go on a cruise. No, I was talking about the Christmas one, but it was too cold for you. Oh, yeah. No, we couldn't go there because it we there were other issues. But we couldn't go on your Christmas vacation because there were other issues. It was going to be cold and and Linda can't walk on ice, and you know, things like that. So it was that.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I was I know you you really tried.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

I was I did try. I was just talking crap.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Number eight. Oh, we worry about being judged. We don't like people judging us and looking at us that way. Sorry, why you don't like the birthday noise and all that. That could be. That could be. So we're gonna pass that one by. Number nine, we have internal fulfillment over status. See, we it once again, it we don't like we don't like material possessions.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah, so I can I can yeah, so I can see that. That's where like the showing off doesn't come naturally because you're proud of other things in your life. Yeah, I'm fine with my life. Secure about what other people may not be secure about, so they have to go and buy those other material things to show off.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Right. I got you. Yeah, so that's number nine. Let's see, number 10. Where's number 10? Is that on the ball? There's ten of them. Oh, there's a lot of them. Oh, number 10. Um, like to sit in the back corner of the room.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

That goes with that goes with that with it not showing off. You don't want to be front centering.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Right. I I prefer to be in the back. Number 10. Oh, don't appreciate praise and don't require affirmation. So don't ever praise me. Don't, you know. Good job, Ray. You're doing a horrible job over there. That's fine. You can tell me that. Just don't, just don't heap praise on me. Terrible, Ray. Keep it up. And I we enjoy solitude and privacy. Which is why I which is why I don't talk about myself, but which is what I'm doing today. You sound very comfortable. No, thanks. I'll just play it. No, I will add some more things here. This is a long list for Sigma Mail. We are not antisocial, but uh, I prefer one-on-one interactions, no parties. So I I party? Oh no, no parties. No parte. Never have, never have like parties. I've been I've turned down more parties than I've been uh gone to, I think.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Wow, you're so popular.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

No, I'm not. No, I'm just I just I just can't be there.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

He's getting invited every week. Did you ever turn down a Diddy party?

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Of course I would. So I would also add for Sigma Mail, uh, there are no non-smokers, non-drinkers.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Most are non-smokers.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

No, no, no tattoos, yeah. No social media, don't need social approval. So I don't do social media at all and I can't stand it. Um and no concerts.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Oh, that's an experience.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Have you ever been to a concert, period?

SPEAKER_02 31:32

It could be any kind of it doesn't have to be like wild concert. It could be like a, you know how they have the c those concerts where they like it's just the um singers and storytellers where the singer is just kind of by himself and you're just kind of sitting there and listening to their stories and their songs. You wouldn't do that?

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Not really. No. Ray, you've never been to a concert? I've been to musical, uh, orch orchestral orchestra concerts. The only concert that I went to, um, oh, this is funny in a way. Um, I was given free tickets to a concert at Symphony Hall, and I went one night after work, and um it was some religious Christian group, and I can't it's somebody that was big at the time, I don't remember who it was, and I actually fell asleep. So that's that's you know, that's what it was.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

Were you by yourself?

SPEAKER_00 32:25

No, I was with the people that that gave me the ticket. And um no, I fell I actually fell asleep, but I don't think they knew that. So that's yeah, don't ever take me to a concert because I I wouldn't ever go.

SPEAKER_02 32:37

I might fall asleep at an orchestral concert too. Yeah, that sounds funny.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

But no, no, orchestral we enjoy. I stay awake for those. It's the it's the it's the boisterous ones that I would never go to.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

It's the vibrations.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

We went to uh we went to uh organ stop pizza together one time for your birthday, and that's pretty. Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

That's fun. That's a fun place. That's a really that's not really a concert.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

No, but it's a fun place for like music. Um a musical environment. Yeah, it is, you know. Organ stop pizza, try it out, it's fun.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

I wish there I wish there were more like in other places, not just yeah, it's it's a historic really far away. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Not way out there in Mesa.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Right. No offense, Mesa.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah, we'd go more often.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Okay, I've got one more thing about my personality type. All right, okay. Um, something else that showed up on YouTube video. I'm gonna have to stop watching YouTube videos because this stuff pops up and tells me what I am. Um YouTube knows you. I guess you got a certain algorithm alg algorithm. Because one of them um popped up and said, Are you a lone wolf? Oh, I don't know. Let me see. So signs of a lone wolf.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

He went down a rabbit hole, real trick.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

I did, I did. So number one, independent to the core, that's me. Two, self-sufficient survivor, yes. Number three, solitude seeker, yes. That's the lone wolf. Number four, unapologetically themselves, yeah. Number five, small but mighty inner circle. I have a very tiny inner circle. It's like about two people, like the people I'm with.

unknown 34:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:18

We're all here. That's yeah, we're all here. That's my inner circle. That's all I have. Number six, emotionally resilient. Number seven, oh, I like this one because this one really fits me. Analytical observer. I observe everything. I'm sure, like Sherlock Holmes, I watch and analyze from a distance. And uh I just I see Well, when you're quiet, that's what you do. Yeah, I see and notice a lot of things. And number eight, uh, we're known for our silent exit. If we're ever in a group or anything, we just leave. We don't say goodbye or anything, we just disappear. We just walk out the door and disappear.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

Silent exit. I like that. Where'd Rank go? Oh, he went home like 20 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Okay. So I have we have a desire for meaningful connections. And right now I have two, my wife and Jacers. Oh that's all I have right now. Sorry, my meaning. Well, well, I haven't known her as long. And I haven't worked with her as much, so that's why. That's true. She'll work her way, she'll work her way in.

SPEAKER_02 35:19

There's always room for Asher.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

We are mysterious. We never like to be in the spotlight and never ask us personal questions because we won't answer them anyway. We stay away from large groups, as I've said, and we only speak when we have something to say. We're not an open book. So that's me. So there's my personality type. And here I am talking to the whole world, and I was a teacher in front of a classroom. So don't ask me how that happened.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

So, how'd that happen? I don't know how that happened. I was gonna say he didn't want to be in like social groups or like uh with a lot of people, and yet he was on campus every day with all these people and all these teachers, and having to go to teacher meetings and PTAs to parent-teacher conferences and yeah, I survived that's all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

I survived, I didn't enjoy it, but I survived it. Or the life of production that I've experienced with him and thousands of people. We've done certain shows or graduations or certain events that's you know had thousands of people at it. And he's just sitting there in the middle of all these thousands of people and all those people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

I don't have to talk to him, and that it's not I I didn't go to go, I was there to work, and that's totally different attitude than than going to go.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

So I was there to work and I and I enjoyed the work.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

You weren't there for that.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

No, I w no. And it didn't matter what the event was, I enjoyed the event.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

So if you were uh uh like doing production or lighting, say you did lighting for for um Jenna Jackson or something like that, you would totally do it and have no problem with it because you're working?

SPEAKER_01 36:58

Janet, I could do the show. Yeah, probably there's gonna be a malfunction sometimes. Probably I gotta see this. Not that.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Back to your sports episode.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That's the guy in me.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yeah, yeah, I could probably do that. I could probably design lighting and and operate it, but I would not be one to enjoy the show. I would just be, I would be there. So, anyway. So that's my personality type. So I've just opened myself up at which I'm not supposed to do, but I did.

SPEAKER_02 37:30

Well, thank you for sharing. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, we learned something new about Ray.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

It took me many years. It did. It took him, we've known each other for at least seven years, and it took him years to figure out all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

So I got other things I just peeling back the layers like an onion. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

Yeah, layers like an onion. Wait, wait. Should I be listening or should I take off my headphones?

SPEAKER_01 37:55

No, I'm just saying, I've I've I've recently inquired other information about you too. You did? Yeah. What was that? What you want to go into it now?

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Yeah, we could.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Well, it was your birthday recently. Yeah, I was, but you're not supposed to know that.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Ray. Thank you. I even hired a private eye just so I can find out how old you are.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

Yeah, I'm I'm gonna tell everybody right here.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Everybody want to know 200.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Yeah. Ray was born in 80.

SPEAKER_00 38:28

Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad we bleeped that out because that was I would I yeah, I would be in a panic. I wasn't even live in year. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

Um, but for real. Happy birthday, Ray. Well, thank you. And on behalf of uh me, my family, and also the whole uh podcast of this family. Yes, you have a birthday card sitting there.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

I do, where?

SPEAKER_01 38:52

And oh you sneak that in when I wasn't looking. And you have a little birthday gift there. Inside your birthday card, I don't know if you want to share it with the audience, but I managed to find the actual uh newspaper from the year you were born. Oh, honestly. They still had newspapers back then. Yeah, they did. Maybe you can read something in the newspaper and share it with the audience, and we might be able to understand where you came from.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Okay. Oh, this card is gigantic. I've never seen one this big.

SPEAKER_01 39:21

You don't have to read everything on there unless you want to.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Happy blank birthday. I think it's backwards. You're reading it from another country. You gotta flip it around. He's good. Oh my goodness. I'm not even going to mention the weeks or the months or the hours because somebody would do the math and figure it out. Oh my goodness. You wrote a book inside. Can I read it out loud? If you want to.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

If you want to, I didn't know how much you wanted to share because you're not an open book, you say. I know. Well, I haven't I haven't even read it myself yet. Well, you can keep it personal. I mean, you can just uh share whatever you want to. Oh, no, I'm gonna cry.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Okay, read it. I can't read it because I'll cry. You can read it. I can't read it out loud. Okay, you can read that later. Okay, on the back side it says the past times, um, XX number of years ago, back in some year, these things happened. Oh my goodness. And I can't read these because it would oh, I can give you this one. The average income per year was $3,500. Oh my goodness. Wow. Back in the day? Somebody could live on that.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

I thought that was a very fun fitting car. And it took me a while to find out what newspaper to to to pick up from the era.

SPEAKER_00 40:36

So And I can't give out any other information because somebody would look it up. So I can't.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

I'm sure you can share something. No, no. But something else you can share is the gift. The gift you can definitely share. Yeah, I can't forget that. Let me see what's in here. So the gift to help the audience understand while you're opening it, there's somewhere you can peel. Yeah, peel that.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Let them open it up first and then you can explain what it's for.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Do I peel this back in here?

SPEAKER_02 41:02

You peel that up. Rip it open.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

I'm trying to. Oh, there we are. Do you know what that is? It's a cube. It's a color cube. And you can make colors with it. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_02 41:16

So tell them, tell them why you did this.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

No, wait. So I know that you're into lighting and you love to be creative. Uh-huh. And with that cube, there's three colors on that cube. I see that. And with those three colors, you can make any color that you want. It's called a C M Y cube. C M Y C M Y C M Y cube. And I thought that that would be perfect for you to play with it. You can either use it for a paperweight, or while Linda's doing her physical therapy, you can have something to play with and fiddle with.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

So I thought that's like a fidget thing.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

You love colors and uh mixing lighting and stuff, and I thought that would be really fun for you to look at him. He can't stop.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

If you turn it a certain way, you can actually it make it makes different colors when you layer the colors together. So if you look at it from the corner, you can see the different um the different colors that it it it creates out of just those.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

Oh wow. Oh, don't want to draw it. I don't think you can break it. I don't think you can break it.

SPEAKER_02 42:20

But that's pretty cool, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:21

This is cool. I've never seen anything like it. And I don't know how they did this.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

I'll have to figure out how they made this. I think even your cats might find that interesting. When you're over here playing with it in the light, they might be looking at you like, what's he doing over there?

SPEAKER_00 42:34

They might. I've got one cat that's in everybody's business.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

But yeah, that I Christmas. Thank you. I hope you enjoy those things. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

That was great. I was that's quite a surprise. Let's cover, let's go to the Twilight Zone. Oh. Can we do that? Yeah, we have to have the music. Okay. Many years ago, uh my wife and I were driving in uh northern Arizona, and we were about to we were in Holebrook, actually. Holebrook. Holebrook. And instead of taking the I-40 east, we decided to take this other road and go east. And so it was more scenic.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

This sounds mysterious.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

So we were driving along and driving along, and pretty soon it got to be lunchtime, and we were looking for a place to eat. Well, what do you know? Right there on the side of the road we saw a diner.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Ooh.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Okay, this looks good. So we pulled off the road, parked, went inside the diner, and it was like nothing we'd ever seen before. We opened the door and went in, and it looked like it was right out of the 1930s. No way. Yes. People too? People too. Interesting. Yes, there were two people in there. The the the the cook was sitting at a table with his head down because. There were no customers. He was resting. And the waitress was there, and she had on her typical white uniform with a hat on, red white hat, and everything. And it was just it would look like 1930. Wow. Okay, we so, but we thought it was just part of the effect. And we it was great. Oh, this is great. So we went in and sat down and she brought us a menu with the plastic cover. And um we opened it up and looked at it, and she came over with a pad and a pencil and took our order. None of this electronic stuff. While the food was being prepared, I got up and walked around and looked at all the the antiques and the things that were the old time signs, and she had her old there was an old time radio, and I don't remember all that was in there. A lot of uh interesting things to look at. So the food came, I went and sat down, we ate, we paid our bill, and we left. And went on down the road. And we talked about, oh, that's a fun place and how how neat that was, and the food was good, and um and we we talked about it for a while and off we went. Well, time came year two, three later, we were in Holbrook again, and we said, Well, let's go to that neat diner that we ate at, and because we enjoyed it so much the last time. Okay? Yeah. So we went down the road and we went down the road, and we went down the road, and it was not there. You couldn't find it? There was not a parking lot, there was not a foundation, there was nothing. There was no sign that it had ever, ever been there. That's creepy. And so, um, we think that it appeared just in time for us to be there and eat, and then it disappeared after we left. And uh to to I I took your your uh suggestion one time, and I went to Google Earth, and I looked at that road from one end from all the all the way from Holbrook all the way you try to track it out, and I tried to find it. There was no there was no building that looked anything like it, and there was no parking lot, there was no foundation, there was nothing.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

Even in the landscaping, there wasn't anything cut out where it looked like there used to be something, and they undug the whole thing. No, no, there wasn't anything there.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 46:34

That that's pretty that's pretty cool. That is so weird.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

I think we were in the Twilight Zone. It was it was it was strange because it was 1930s. We went back in time somehow. Wow. I know it was it was it was a great experience.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

Does Linda like your time machine? Is it comfortable?

SPEAKER_00 46:51

She won't answer. She did, she she shook her head. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. She's trying to be quiet over there. Okay. Um, to get even a little more mysterious, I've had some psychic experiences.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

No way.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

Do you know what I'm about to say? What yeah, where you can tell the future?

SPEAKER_00 47:11

No, I wish I could. Well, yes, I could tell the future. Okay. Yes, I could. Well, the the I don't know if this was the first one I had, but this is this happened um many years ago when I was single. I came home from work one day and brought in the newspaper, the evening newspaper, and opened it up, and on the front page was a story about a paper boy that had disappeared while on his route.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

No way.

SPEAKER_00 47:44

Yeah. And it was just like a light bulb went off. It's like, boing, I know what happened. Somebody, a a male on his route kidnapped him and did some things that shouldn't have been done. And it's like I knew that. Yeah, I mean it was just uh open it up and you know, a second or two later, there it was. I knew what had happened. I could almost it wasn't to the place where I could see the house or see the person that did it, but I knew exactly what happened. And come to find out, there was an article in the paper later that that's what happened. It confirmed it. It confirmed it.

SPEAKER_02 48:19

That is that is.

SPEAKER_00 48:20

So that was that was, yeah, that was very that's where the intuition comes from. Yes, I that must be uh it must be my intuition. I I don't know what else how else to to do it. There was another time when Linda and I were driving uh in uh southwest Phoenix and we drove by what's called the tank farm. It's where the fuel comes into the city and is stored there in big tanks before it's pumped out to wherever it goes, you know.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

They're oh I've seen one of those down on like Buckeye or Broadway or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Down that way. And we were going north on whatever road it was, and it was boing. There's going to be a fire or explosion here within two days. No way. Yeah. And guess what? Two days later, one of their tanks caught fire and was they had a fire there. I should have called the fire department and said, You better get a truck over there and have it on standby, but I didn't because I mean that's how that's how clear it was to me.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

You ever write these things down?

SPEAKER_00 49:21

No.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Could incriminate them.

SPEAKER_02 49:24

Oh boy. No.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

I'm just like but I knew that was gonna happen. Some people do, though. They just have that, you know, sense of spirit and stuff like that, and you they called a gift, and you know, we don't know how to channel it sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

And here's another one that happened. This was back when I was single. So it's been a while. Um, I worked for a Christian film company, as some of you know, and I was delivering uh films throughout the whole valley. I had used a company car and was driving, and I was on um the 10 going towards Tucson. And uh before I got there, I would I took this took the curve that went to the 60 east. And I was just going up the ramp there, and boing, there's a lost car down here that the police is looking for, and I know where it is, right down there in the bushes. And guess what? It was it showed up in the paper a day or two later. They found the the car that they were looking for, and it was right down there in the bushes on the freeway. Uh, how did I know that? I couldn't even see it.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

I couldn't even see it, but yet I knew it was there. It's one of those things when you're driving through it, and then you think to yourself, I wonder if this is something that could have happened. And you think that somebody could have gone off, and then it could be they could be stuck down there, and that's what that memory you have.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

It might be. And then all of a sudden it happens, and you're like, uh Yeah, so that was um that was uh yeah, that was another strange one.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

That is strange.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

I've got another one.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_00 50:57

One night I was in the kitchen uh fixing dinner for us, and I had the news on the TV, which was facing the other direction, couldn't see it. And the story came on. Uh we have a story tonight about this doctor in Scottsdale who was um arrested for doing things to his parent to his patients that he shouldn't have been doing. And as soon as I heard that, I said, That's my doctor. That's my doctor, I know it. That's my doctor. Why he was doing things to you too? No, no, no, no. There was never any I had to ask. I know. There was never any indication or anything. And come to find out, they mentioned his name, and that's my doctor. No, I guess it was.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

You had to stop going to him, of course.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

Well, yeah, he's lost his license, yeah. Yeah, he was no longer practicing and had to find me a new doctor. But um, it was just strange that I knew that before they announced the name, that I knew who it was. Out of all the doctors available, that was mine. So do you. So do you feel a little offended that he didn't try anything with you?

SPEAKER_01 51:59

Huh? Drake?

SPEAKER_02 52:01

No. More like relief, you know, I would think. Just late.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

Like, I can't believe I have the humor in every obviously.

SPEAKER_02 52:11

I can't believe I let, you know, I let this doctor prescribe these things for me and trust him. You know, you have to trust your doctor.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

What was he really doing when I was knocked out for two minutes? I wasn't knocked out. That'd be more like surgery. And I have I have one more. Okay. Okay, this is the most recent one, I think.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Ooh. Are they still practicing? Who?

SPEAKER_00 52:32

I don't know. I thought you were talking about another doctor. No, not another doctor. This is another psychic experience. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Um, a few years ago when I was still working, um, I started taking the um the bus to work because my car was old and I was afraid it was going to wear out and and I didn't want to put all the miles on it because work was a waste from where I lived. So I would take the bus up and down um 19th Avenue. And uh to help pass the time, I had uh little headset radio that I'd listen to, and I'd listen to the news. So this one afternoon I was coming home from school and I was um on 19th Avenue, almost uh to camelback, and I heard on the news that the police were looking for somebody that had wandered away from a care facility. Oh and as soon as they said that, I said, I know where they are, they're right over there. They happened to be right at we were stopped at that time, our bus was stopped at a at a because of traffic.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

And they were right there, right across the street from where the bus was. I couldn't see them, but I knew the intersection that they were at right there. And I I had got my cell phone out ready to call and say, You the person's right there. That's how sure I was. I was gonna call police and say, that person's right there. You didn't call them? No, because they came on. Oh, we have an update. We found the person. Where were they? At that very intersection. Oh I couldn't see it from where I was, but it was right across from where I was. So somebody already somebody already found him before I could call, but that's where they were.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

It was like, woo, woo, woo.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

I I couldn't I I can't explain. No, no, I can't explain these things that happened to me. So that's amazing. You're doing a good job. Oh, well, thanks. So those are my psychic. Now, unfortunately, it doesn't work when I play games because then I would know how how to, you know, win the lottery and stuff. But it doesn't work that way. You you didn't do too well on that Super Bowl. You lost me some money. I know. Well, I couldn't I've just played. My psychic powers are uncontrollable. They just happen when they happen, and it's not like I can, oh, these are the winning numbers for this week, and I win a million dollars.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

Only what what what what you what they need you to know. Only what needs to be known.

SPEAKER_00 54:58

Yeah, only what needs to be known. And I don't know why I need to know. I guess so I could report the next fire before it happens. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

So you couldn't tell me how the our our season two is gonna end. You you're not that good. I have no idea. Oh boy. I have no idea. Unpredictable. It'll be comical. Would you rather would you rather? Would you rather be able to write with your eyes shut or sing with your mouth closed? Ventriloquism. Ladies first.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Uh I think I'd rather sing with my mouth closed. I think that'd be fun.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

Yeah. I think not you. Don't take this personal. But I think that there's some people that might look better doing that.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

I think it's kind of hard to just sing with your mouth open.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

Yeah, but there's some people that make these faces when they sing. I'm like, does it really require that face to make that sound? Sometimes. You seen like some of those opera people or whatever trying to belch and get that note out and they they have a look. No, not belch, belt. Yeah, that, yeah, that too.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

I just wanted to clarify that. I'm glad you're here. Thank you. That's what I teacher in. Yeah, it's the teacher in me.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

That's exactly what I said. I don't know what you heard.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Yeah, right. Jake's like, same thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

Same thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

All right, Ray. You I would rather write with my eyes closed, which I can do anyway.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

So on what paper?

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Like you can actually physically write. Wow. I could write you a whole paragraph with my eyes closed on a paper and be fairly, fairly uh legible and fairly legible and all that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

I like to see my writing. I like to see what I'm writing.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

So me personally, with this uh with this new production that I have, and I it requires a lot of writing abilities and skills sometimes. I would like to write with my eyes shut because while my kids are driving me insane and I'm trying to go to bed at night and this and then I could just close my eyes and write out a couple episodes, and that would be that would be very helpful for me, I think. Typing doesn't count. It has to be physically writing. No, writing with my eyes closed. Like I I would like my eyes to be closed and it to be connected to some sort of technology where I'm just physically doing anything. So you want to think your thoughts on paper?

SPEAKER_03 57:34

That would be weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

You gotta wear like a special hat or something.

SPEAKER_00 57:39

It's called tinfoil. Ray has a couple of those.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Yeah, I probably do.

SPEAKER_00 57:46

So I can talk to those aliens I'm related to.

SPEAKER_02 57:49

No, not me. I'd like to sing. I mean, I'd like to sing, be able to sing even with my mouth open, but to sing with my mouth closed and nobody knows what's going on, that'd be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 57:57

You have to have a puppet though, if you do that. Right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:00

I would totally do it.

SPEAKER_00 58:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:02

Sock puppet. Would you rather would you rather rewrite the U.S. Constitution or redesign the White House? Whoever would like to go first.

SPEAKER_00 58:13

Uh the Constitution is great the way it is, and I like the White House, but I guess I could design it a little different. I don't know what I would do, but I would not make it contemporary for sure. I uh because that needs to look like the federal design that it has.

SPEAKER_02 58:29

Constitution already has amendments, so it's already been rewritten. I guess I would redesign the White House.

SPEAKER_01 58:36

Yeah, I'm I like the I like the architectural side of things. I like to redesign the White House.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

What would you put in it?

SPEAKER_01 58:44

What would I put in it? I'd put a recording studio. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness, we're gonna have some great White House recording studio.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

I put a hot tub in there. Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

There's already been a hot tub. I'm sure Monica or somebody's been in it.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

A movie theater? Is there a movie theater?

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yeah, there's a movie theater. Oh, that's cool. There was a bowling alley, but I heard they took that.

SPEAKER_00 59:03

Yeah, that was taken out some time ago. Yeah. Um, I was thinking of the White House the other day when I saw it on the news, and I I was thinking, when did they electrify that and how did they? And when did they put in running water and how did they do that? Because all it was everything was already in the water.

SPEAKER_02 59:21

There was a fire, wasn't there?

SPEAKER_00 59:23

Yeah, but that was a long time ago. When the when the British built it. Yeah. So they had but no, but there was no running water back then, and they didn't have electricity back then, so that had to be done after that. And I don't know when that happened and how they ran all the food for thought. How they put all the stuff in after the walls are sealed up.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

I I know they make certain little programmings getting into like little fragments of it, but I don't know how it w it would be done. Um I think it'd be really cool if somebody created a show on like the historic um carrings of the White House. Like how how did we take care of that building, you know, for the last 200 years or 100 years or however long it's. I'm sure you can YouTube it. Well, that'd be cool. Yeah, but that's one video. I mean like like a whole series, like let's deep dive into it. Not some like how Merkel's built- not some 10-minute YouTube video. Like, I want like a you know, a 15-episode special. That'd be kind of cool. Let's dive deep like into every single video. Okay. I think that'd be cool. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

But I'm giving somebody a well we go into video next, we'll we'll we'll think about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

So I think we all uh want to re redesign the White House, huh?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

Would you rather swim faster than a dolphin or run faster than a cheetah? Oh, mmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

Ray? I would rather run faster than a cheetah because I don't like to get wet. Oh, that's right. I would not like to I would not like to swim. He's worried he would drown. I would.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

If you could swim faster than a dolphin, then it wouldn't matter. You you could should be able to breathe underwater.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

So what's your answer?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

I'd rather swim faster.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

You want to swim faster, you want to run faster?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

Yeah, I I'd be like, it's because I can't swim anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

So probably not as fast as the flash, but you know. I understand. You don't swim, so that would be for me. I think it'd be more useful for for my lifestyle to run faster. Like I it would be. I could run after a kid, I could run to the grocery store, I could run, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:20

That actually puts the whole uh the the the proper term on when I'm running to the store. Yeah, I'm running late. Not not if you're running that fast. You're running you'd be early.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

I wonder if that would help you in your profession if you could work a little faster that way or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:36

I don't know. Sometimes you know the secret is the faster that you work, the cheaper that you make. Oh yeah. Because that's why people milk it, because the longer that they work, the more that they get paid. That's true. And so unfortunately, yeah, you could you could do the same amount of work as somebody that it took them 16 hours to do, and you could do it in four hours. But I've been on jobs where that's happened, and the customer gets so upset. They think that you cheated them or you side-cutted them, or it's so unnecessary for you to be making that much money when you're only here a couple of minutes. It just doesn't make sense. Yeah, and they don't respect your talents sometimes when you work really fast. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

If you're getting paid by the hour, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:22

Yeah, that's why people milk it. Well, yeah, they do. That's why people milk it. Yeah. Anyways. Would you rather this is a this okay, this might get interesting. Would you rather sail through the Bermuda Triangle at night? Or fly in it through a thunderstorm during the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Oh, I have this one. So um Ray, can I tell you what I think you would do?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

You're gonna guess what I'm gonna guess for. Okay, this ought to be good. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

I think that Ray would fly. I think he would fly. You said fly what?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Okay, so don't Ray, don't don't say it yet. Would you rather sail through the Bril Would you rather sail through the Bermuda Triangle at night or fly in it during a thunderstorm during the day? Fly in the day during the thunderstorm or just sail in the day.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

I think he would be he would rather fly through the thunderstorm even in the daylight than to have to go on the ocean at night.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:35

Okay. And before Ray answers, what do you think I would pick? You're gonna judge the two hosts now.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

I think you would probably I don't think you would care. I think you would I think you would sail through it at night rather than risk falling out of the sky.

unknown 1:03:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

You've been on the ocean at night, so I don't think it bothers you that much.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

Okay, Ray. What's your answer?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

Well, I get terribly seasick, so I wouldn't want to be on the water, so I would have to fly, even though I don't like flying. He would rather fly. I would have to pick flying too.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:10

Yeah, then go through Stephanie 1-1. Then go through the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:17

Okay. I forgot what you actually for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

You would grow with either the ocean, you wouldn't care. You would rather, you wouldn't want to fall out of the sky.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:25

Yeah, because there's something about thunderstorms and when I'm in airplanes that I get a little freaked out about. And not scared, but like I've seen I've seen some planes get hit by lightning, and I just don't understand it. So I think I would sail. I'd probably sail.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Either way, you're going through the meter triangle, so you're probably gonna get lost no matter if you fly or you're I don't think you're coming out the other end.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

Okay, if I'm sailing, am I on a sailboat or am I on like a cruise ship? Because that's gonna matter. It doesn't say because if I'm on a sailboat by myself and I just hear the wind at night, you're on a dinghy. How about that? I'm heading in directions that I can't tell because I'm just sailing. You're on one of those, uh, what do they call those?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:12

Those um um little boats that that cart you from the from the a ferry boat? From the from the cruise ship to the Oh a tinder?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:22

Yeah, tinder boat like yeah, a tinder boat.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:24

Yeah, one of those things.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

The only tinder I can take now that I'm married. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

Oh, now that you mentioned the word dinghy, did you I said the dinghy, yeah, he should be on a dinghy. Did you know that dinghy and dingy are spelled the same but pronounced differently with different things?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Oh, that's that's interesting. I didn't know that. Go figure. English is crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:47

Yeah. Anyway, uh I just thought I'd throw that in. That's why we have four fours. Yeah, we do. F O R F O U R F O R E F O R E What's the other one? We only have three fours. Oh. See? Even more confusing. We only have three fours. Well, folks, we've reached the end of my adventures for episode 31, Unverified Events. Next week on 32, we have another amazing episode coming your way. Stay tuned. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

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SPEAKER_01 1:06:45

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SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

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SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

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SPEAKER_01 1:07:25

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SPEAKER_00 1:07:28

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SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

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